Numetal/Retromux
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@somasatori said in Numetal/Retromux:
What was her full, unmarried name again?
Мамочка.
активированный
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Aria Hey. I was perfectly okay for approximately 37 minutes on Thursday, January 15th, 1987, between 00:04 and 00:41.
Weird, I was happy for at least 10 years after that. Maybe it has something to do with where you grew up, what was the name of the street you lived on?
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@Jennkryst said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Wizz said in Numetal/Retromux:
y’all. go outside. for…like…a while.
being in this headspace is just Not Good, for anyone involved.
I work in food service. I mu for pretend fun times, not to put up with the same kind of shit I at least get paid for at work.
okay, I never suggested you put up with it. I am telling you your plan is just a power fantasy and that scenario would never play out the way it does in your head.
at best, you suddenly make a single dice roll (there’s…no “I automatically stab him and kill him” button), staff steps in and reiterates that they have already explicitly told you they will not run this scene. you push the issue and you’re shown the door and remembered as that uncomfortable weirdo who wouldn’t take no for an answer.
just save yourself a lot of grief? if a game is not working for you, be an adult and leave. post your reasons why here, and because you’re behaving reasonably way more people are likely to listen and consider it or approach staff with their complaints, change may happen, etc.
from an objective third party, there is no chance, zero, none, that “I stand up to staff by forcing them into a combat scenario and everyone claps!” works. please understand that I am being frank with you in hopes that it helps, not to mock you.
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@Wizz said in Numetal/Retromux:
from an objective third party, there is no chance, zero, none, that “I stand up to staff by forcing them into a combat scenario and everyone claps!” works.
I have seen this work, if by ‘it worked!’ I mean it disrupted the game and caused a lot of players (who were no doubt already unsatisfied) to quit. But it’s not gonna be gaming fun. It was also at a time where you could easily find another WoD game to 'port your whole playgroup, so solidarity-quitting often didn’t sacrifice your story, you just all move to Portland the way people do.
But a combat I’m doing 'cause I’m OOC pissed and want to annoy the person GMing it isn’t something I want to do or imagine as fun even if I did have a +20 stab-o–matic.
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@Wizz said in Numetal/Retromux:
from an objective third party, there is no chance, zero, none, that “I stand up to staff by forcing them into a combat scenario and everyone claps!” works. please understand that I am being frank with you in hopes that it helps, not to mock you.
I’m not suggesting people stand up to staff that way, I’m suggesting that sometimes, PC leadership (especially in a WoD game) is bad, and needs to be ICly dealt with. Now, if that’s causing a scene and berating them ICly or just going full PVP, whatever. But sometimes IC leadership churn is good for the health of the game.
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@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:
I’m suggesting that sometimes, PC leadership (especially in a WoD game) is bad, and needs to be ICly dealt with.
Usually, it needs to be OOCly dealt with. The leadership isn’t bad because it’s demanding, or evil, or cruel, it’s bad because it’s a power trip for some prat who has no interest in aiding in the telling of interesting stories for anyone who isn’t them or their cronies/friends/harem.
It’s far more rare for PC leadership to be bad intentionally, to create that tension and interesting story. Because, typically, the type to seek out that kind of power don’t come with the intention of losing it.
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
The leadership isn’t bad because it’s demanding, or evil, or cruel, it’s bad because it’s a power trip for some prat who has no interest in aiding in the telling of interesting stories for anyone who isn’t them or their cronies/friends/harem.
You also forgot “because sometimes staff just hands out the leadership roles and then those players just ignore that aspect of their character and never actually do anything at all within the PC organization.”
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Do note my first response was not to stab Larry the Leader in his face. My first response was ‘staff cannot control my emits or rolls’.
So say staff says ‘you cannot depose the Prince’. And then you go out and do lots of social RP and get most other people to support disposing the Prince and you +roll your big social dice and everyone at court is like ‘New Prince New Prince rah rah rah!’ And staff says ‘despite your successes, you were never allowed to try in the first place. So you fail’?
Now is when the stabbing happens. Because social dice are fast and loose, but combat dice are explicitly laid out, and staff had already shown to everyone they do not care about the rules.
It has to be called out to their face in front of everyone. Because suppose there is a game where every sphere has the same staffer PC in a leadership position, and a bunch of people keep quitting the game because they throw their dicks around. Maybe not everyone, but plenty. And even when the reason is given in private, its private and so you can pretend to ignore the obvious connection.
Going big is the only way to maybe open the eyes of people who are willfully ignoring it.
… what do you mean ‘am I talking about somewhere specific’? What would give you that idea?
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A lot of the time a moral victory is the only kind you can get.
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@Prototart said in Numetal/Retromux:
A lot of the time a moral victory is the only kind you can get.
The best moral victory is just leaving, letting them have their mutual admiration society*, and finding a better game.
*Google says this is nicer than the term that came to mind.
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That’s all well and good if you’re a normal, heathy, functional adult, but what about the rest of us
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@Prototart said in Numetal/Retromux:
That’s all well and good if you’re a normal, heathy, functional adult, but what about the rest of us
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@Prototart said in Numetal/Retromux:
That’s all well and good if you’re a normal, heathy, functional adult, but what about the rest of us
@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Prototart said in Numetal/Retromux:
That’s all well and good if you’re a normal, heathy, functional adult, but what about the rest of us
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@Ashkuri All of this is why I don’t play WOD at all. It seems pretty par for the course.
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@Lemon-Fox said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Ashkuri All of this is why I don’t play WOD at all. It seems pretty par for the course.
It’s really no better nor worse than any other genre, there’s shitfuckery everywhere.
He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
It’s really no better nor worse than any other genre, there’s shitfuckery everywhere.
Can confirm, I’ve seen shitfuckery in all types of games. I think it’s just easier to spotlight WoD because the authors constantly traipse into edgelord territory.
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
It’s really no better nor worse than any other genre, there’s shitfuckery everywhere.
I don’t know that I agree with this.
I’ve played plenty of oWOD, many many years of it, though never nWOD or the other newer iterations, so, speaking from that perspective. This system was never meant to be in a MUSH format. What was supposed to be “a cadre of me and my buddies fighting overwhelming forces of corruption and monstrosity working against us” at a table becomes, on a MUSH, other groups of buddies in the role of the forces working against you. WOD was never designed for vampire and werewolf at the same table, much less Mage and everything else.
It’s not balanced for it. So what you’ve ended up with is this really problematic soup of theme that hasn’t aged well, players in thematic opposition to each other, and rules/structures that aren’t balanced between spheres and require interpretation, and a ton of spheres that have to be supported, all against a backdrop in which “the world is gritty and dark” is used by some players as an excuse for very toxic behavior.
I still like oWOD. Love to play an Ananasi someday, somewhere. I’m not saying WOD games can’t be good or fun, but I do think it takes an extremely firm hand and clear head at the wheel to make them so. While there is shitfuckery everywhere, unfucking the shit is a more uphill battle in WOD than elsewhere.
In my opinion, anyway.
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@Ashkuri While that’s all true, and it may explain some of the behaviours seen in WoD games, it doesn’t make anything we’ve seen exclusive or even more prevalent in WoD when compared to other genres.
I’ve seen just as much egotistical bullshit from Lords and Ladies games, Star Wars games, Star Trek games… Alas, I’ve only heard about the kind of bullshit that happens on comic book games, but that’s a whole different kettle of sparrows.
WoD was simply one of the more popular genres in our corner of the hobby for an extended period, so we have a stronger institutional memory of the problems.
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
Star Wars games
AoA is probably the current prime example of near constant shitfuckery, just based on the thread here.
