sorry i got het up

All of these games are ultimately descended from United Heroes, which had like 400-plus pages on MSB because it was run by an incel and staffed by a coterie of maladjusted freaks even by superhero game standards.

The first real split from UH was HAM, created by people who had absolutely no problem with how things were done on UH until one of them, Ruby, an emotionally unstable pathological liar, lost favor with the guy who ran UH. They made no changes from UH except for who was being abusive, unless you count letting Chaucer use his rambling, incoherent, hundreds-of-pages-long “theme” that centered around whatever media he had consumed that week.

(I will pause to say that I hate Ruby with a special intensity because even after a decade there are drooling quasi-humans who believe that I’m a predator because that was the only lie she could think up on the spot to deflect when I outed her e-boyfriend as a serial sexual harasser and stalker of my friends.)

From HAM, you get the Chaucer games and now - whatever, Superhero MUSH, I guess.

Nothing good will ever grow from that poison vine.

there is no “good” Age of Heroes game

the “good” one is run by Chaucer from HAM, an abusive, self-obsessed weirdo who has spent years enabling creeps like everyone’s favorite Randian misogynist furry, Vorpal, who once tried to Power Word me in DMs using the wrong name and bullied someone off of HAM for liking a comic they hated

The name thing seems shittier and shittier (and more deliberate) as more stuff comes up and must’ve been a bummer as gamerunner trying to get their own project off the ground.

@catzilla This is the one that I referenced in my post above.

Honestly if they had just asked “hey can we use this is that cool” at the start, or said at any point “my bad, I think the AI scooped it and I didn’t know,” there wouldn’t be an issue. It’s the obfuscation and weird refusal to credit a coder with his code beyond the “idea” that frustrates me.

Totally agreed. Like, character wiki code ‘stealing’ is common and nobody bats an eye (rightfully so). So if this person was like, ‘oh I thought this was in the same guidelines, my bad’ or whatever, then no problem. Or even offering to put a ‘inspired by Trashcan’s code’ credit or something.

The double down denying is always so weird.

Honestly if they had just asked “hey can we use this is that cool” at the start, or said at any point “my bad, I think the AI scooped it and I didn’t know,” there wouldn’t be an issue. It’s the obfuscation and weird refusal to credit a coder with his code beyond the “idea” that frustrates me.

Can we get some links to these games? Like this url is the ‘good’ one and this one is the ‘bad’ one?

The ‘very strange coincidence of taking someone else’s name’ is part of it. Last night we also discovered that Age of Heroes is using “Look for RP” code developed by @Trashcan, without credit or attribution. A representative of Age of Heroes in the Ares discord became defensive and buckled down on ownership, saying that this LFRP code is their coder’s and was entirely coded by her, despite several obvious and distinct indicators within the code that this isn’t true.

When we pointed this out and requested to be credited with having written the original code, Trashcan also said he’d make a plugin for this code. Within a few hours, the AOH “coder” produced an AI-coded plugin. Faraday, aware that there was some controversy over authorship of the LFRP code, notified Trashcan so we could compare the code to ours. The AOH “coder” is claiming again that it is her code and she made it from scratch, crediting him only with the “idea” for it.

Our best guess with this situation is that the AOH “coder” used AI to request a similar feature to the one Trashcan wrote, and the AI scraped his code. Then as soon as he said he’d make a plugin, this person used AI again to try to get ahead of him and quickly produce a plugin first. The plugin itself bears the hallmarks of AI coding, which Trashcan can elaborate on if anyone’s wondering why we’re certain the plugin is AI.

These Age of Heroes people are never going to own up to lying, failing to credit where credit is due, or using AI to steal other people’s work. However it’s pretty uncool behavior in this small community, it is obvious behavior in this small community, it is rude, and it is shady.

@Snackness said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:

They should both change their names to the same thing at the same time.

MUSH equivalent of trying to wave someone through at a stop sign

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They should both change their names to the same thing at the same time.

MUSH equivalent of trying to wave someone through at a stop sign

One of those games should change their name.

I think we should just lean into it.